Out of body experiences or if they exist, why can’t we prove it?

Out of body experience

Astral travel or out of body experiences… if they are real, then why can’t anyone prove it? This question has been frustrating me lately, so , today, I decided to put this question to my guide.

This is a channelled conversation with the answers indented in italics.

So, if Out of Body experiences are real, then how come no one is able to prove it?

This is actually not quite true. There are certainly cases where people have seen things in their astral body which they can later verify. However, it’s not easy to replicate. It does take a tremendous amount of energy to view this world from the astral levels.

Really? How so?

It’s all on a different vibrational level.


Well, you can’t see the astral levels from the earth 3D level. It’s in a different place. Or rather, you can’t see it with normal senses. You can certainly see them with your mind’s eye or if you are attuned psychically.

Some are actually able to spiritualize their body, meaning raise their vibrations to such a high level, that can they enter the astral levels in that way, but as a general rule, you can’t see the astral levels while in a human body and you can’t see this 3D level while in an astral body. At least not very clearly.

Another thing to take into account here is that the astral levels are very easy to manipulate. You can make anything you imagine appear. While it will have substance to you on that level, it is of a much higher vibration and so will not have the same weightiness that object on earth will have. Before you ask, astral constructs are more like shells or facades, rather than something that has real substance to it.

What you see of this world while in the astral is also overlayed by the astral constructions by either ourselves, or other beings.

So, you’re saying that what we see here while viewed from the astral is mostly illusion?

You can liken it trying to view the bottom of the ocean from the surface. It gets denser and murkier, and the deeper you go, the harder it becomes to make out anything.

So, you’re saying that while we’re in the astral, we can’t see the 3D world clearly?

Correct. This is why it’s so hard to validate your experiences. Now, the closer you are to your body, the more dense your vibrations become, due to you being close to your own grounding source. So it becomes much easier to view things closer to where you are sleeping. The further away you go, though, the harder it becomes.

As mentioned, you can do it, but it takes a tremendous amount of energy, and it is exhausting.

The other thing is that for many people, the last thing they want to be doing while having an OBE is trying to prove it’s real. They are enjoying the experience too much.

So, no one will be able to prove it in scientific terms?

The experiments suggested for proving it are not practical because they lack the understanding of the physics of the situation. It’s akin to saying that there is no bottom of the ocean, simply because you cannot go there in your current physical form.

The day will come when people have advanced enough for OBE’s to be the norm, and they will need no proof as they will just be experiencing it for themselves.

And really, how do you prove such things to those who can’t experience it? It’s like trying to prove sight to a blind person. They have to take it completely on faith that it is so.

Okay, well thank you for that.

I wonder if anyone else has thoughts and experiences on this subject.


15 responses to “Out of body experiences or if they exist, why can’t we prove it?”

  1. Donald Smalter Avatar
    Donald Smalter



    Electromagnetic imprint of DNA goes with you in the death transition !! Multi-life history/experience/form holding patterns in Junk DNA ! Unseen IMPERISHABLE “bodies” in human aura! Brain is not the mind! Mind based upon mental (or reasoning) body of aura! Mind goes with you in death !!

    “There is only one way to prepare yourself for the death transition and that is by the acceptance that it is only the physical demise which takes place. The soul, spirit, MIND, and emotional energy continue to exist. When you pass, you are who you are. You do not become enlightened through passing. Book Source: The Only Planet of Choice – Briefings from Deep Space, Chapter 18 page 302

    NOTE : I lost both of my parents at their early age of 57. This caused me to launch a part-time fifty year study of “What comes next after death?” Topics researched were such as the Mother Mary apparition messages, a variety of religion beliefs other than my former Catholic (though still a Christian), atheists rationale, the paranormal, quantum physics, biology, genomics, messages from the afterlife, instrumental transcommunication (ITC) via phone, tapes and TV, UFOs’ objectives, and extraterrestrial messages, trying to find out answers, primarily thru books, science magazines, and numerous websites, obviously with a very open mind.

    I was particularly interested in answering this question: How can it be that it is possible to contact afterdeath personalities as if they were still of full mental capability — via paranormal MEDIUMS, or even by special ITC electronic communications, as has been demonstrated repeatedly? As a retired engineer/executive, I needed to understand exactly HOW “mechanically”or structurally this could be possible. I FOUND THE ANSWER: Electromagnetic/energetic version of DNA — and unseen IMPERISHABLE body aura containing the mind —- go with you in your death transition!!
    Two books in particular provided key answers, and both were most believable due to being very comprehensive and “scientific” though not related to much of Christian/Judeo training. Below I have compiled short summaries and excerpts for your possible interest. Also, a short list of books that reinforced these two. I hope you will keep an open mind in reading them. An old Chinese proverb states: “A mind is like a parachute. It only functions when it is OPEN.”
    To summarize the first book, a lengthy dictation by a benevolent extraterrestrial group Guardian Alliance, it teaches SCIENTIFIC EVOLVEMENT: 1) Your electromagnetic or energetic version of DNA goes with you in the death transition. 2) you will reincarnate repeatedly and the JUNK DNA holds your personal multi-life history and experience. 3) Your invisible aura is the source/basis of your mind and morphogenetic imprints for holding patterns, non-physical attributes, specific cell development, etc. 4)Your consciousness will next progress eventually through fifteen dimensions toward “nirvana” perfection, currently being in the third. All other dimensions are unseen and have different vibrational frequencies and atomic configurations. 5) After incarnation as Buddha, Christ as a highly advanced entity/spirit came to us as a teacher from the twelfth or higher dimension. 6) God is the Universe Prime Creator/Force/Source, and not the god Yahweh of the Old Testament who was
    an Ancient Astronaut to Earth.
    As dictated by Ascended Masters, key messages in the second book were: 1) There are other unseen IMPERISHABLE “bodies” around the physical one in an aura (Note: As seen by Kirlian/GDV photography, see Wikipedia re: the paranormal aura). Key bodies are the astral, the mental (or reasoning), the etheric, among several others. 2) THE BRAIN IS NOT THE MIND. The mental/reasoning body is the basis/source of the mind. 3) All these “bodies” go with you in the death transition, especially including the mind. 4) In the next step, all these bodies and energetic DNA will proceed with you into the astral plane or dimension. 5) do not fear death as it is merely a transition to another “form”.
    See the more detailed excerpts below. Also, a short list of other reinforcing books. To me, these were “startling” concepts, but comforting in their believability as they “fit” based on other related research.

    There does need to be more scientific research especially on 1) electromagnetic/energetic & biophotonic properties of DNA, and 2) functions of the aura (or bio-energy field)! Russian and German scientific researchers are “on track” to one day scientifically prove life continues after death. Dr. Fritz-Albert Popp and son Jurgen at University of Marburg, Germany continue early work on electromagnetic aspects/versions of DNA and cell biophotonics as members of the Int’l Institute of Biophysics, and among others, Dr. Peter Geriaev in Russia with a breakthrough in biophotonic electromagnetic DNA termed Wave Genetics or bioholography. His research will revolutionize current genetic science now based entirely on bio-chemicals. And, Dr. Konstantin Korotkov, Director at the St. Petersburg State Tech University, who concentrates on aura (or bio-energy field) research as Founder/President of the Int’l Union of Medical and Applied Bioelectrography, has actually produced early K
    irlian/GDV photographs which may be of the “soul” or aura leaving dying human bodies. Unfortunately, American research on these two “niches” is relatively modest, especially on the aura — probably due to reluctance based on its India paranormal history . Materialist brain researchers continue to believe that the source of the mind must be someplace in the brain or physical body. And, narrowly educated atheists do not believe in any perceived afterlife.
    Book #1. Source: “Voyagers” Volumes I & II — by Ashayana Deane(Anna Hayes) For details see Chapters on Ascension Mechanics & DNA. Available from Amazon.com, Volume I and 2nd Edition Vol. II 583 pages. Also includes information on Earth history and quantum physics. Purchase strongly recommended.

    “At the death of the physical body, you will discover that your consciousness lives on and your evolution continues.

    “Ascension is not some lofty spiritual concept designed by the minds of man, it is the literal, tangible scientific process of the evolution of consciousness and biology with the laws of energy mechanics that apply to a multidimensional reality system. All souls will eventually evolve and ascend through a 15 dimensional scale to re-emerge as sentient identity within realms of pure consciousness beyond the dimensional systems. Whether or not you view ascension and multidimensional evolution as a reality while you are alive on Earth, you will be directly faced with that reality once your consciousness has passed out of physical life and into the multidimensional framework. How well you prepare for that discovery now will determine the ease with which you are able to take your next evolutionary step once you “wake up on the other side”

    “The term “Ascension” represents much more than some lofty spiritual concept invented by the finite human psyche in order to give purpose to its finite existence. Many in the earthly scientific communities believe that life is limited to the physical expression and that consciousness is the result of the body’s biochemical/neuro-electrical functions. Following these erroneous beliefs they draw an equally erroneous conclusion that consciousness ends at the death of the physical body. Consequently, human science will be confronted with a whole new order of multidimensional reality and a whole new science.

    “The process of ascension is not some quasi-religious concept based upon the meandering of the human mind. Ascension is instead a highly SCIENTIFIC process that represents the universal order through which consciousness experiences itself as being. Ascension also involves the understanding of morphogenetic fields or the form holding energy constructions that allow matter to build into individuated forms. Ascension therefore is a science with specific mechanics that allow for the evolution of consciousness from simple to more complex forms. Every being in existence is involved in this evolutionary process and applies to each and every one of you. The choices one makes in thought and deed will determine the quality of experience, or lack thereof, that will be personally encountered.

    “DNA is built upon minute electro-tonal (i.e., multi octave) patterns of multidimensional frequency and the energetic imprint of the DNA goes with you in the death transition. The content of that pattern will determine how high your consciousness will be able to travel (progress) in the system once it is released from the body. Whatever frequencies are contained within that imprint will determine the specific dimensional placement after death.

    “This “system” blueprint has called your races forward toward an unseen destiny which is the return of immortality and the (eventual) reunion of the consciousness of man with its Prime Creative Source. In terms of the soul’s perspective, the challenges and hardships faced along the way in Earth life are understood to be lessons in growth as human consciousness evolves to remember the truth of its eternal existence and embrace the beauty of its multidimensional identity. From the perspective of a human consciousness focused within a physical body on Earth, those challenges can seem, at times, overwhelming. Without consciousness recognition of the purposes, processes and objectives of the evolutionary plan, the hardships can appear to be unbearable and without meaning.

    “All human souls are involved with the exact same process of evolving the genetic “package” and the consciousness to higher dimensional levels; some souls are just further along in this journey. This is a process by which the life forms evolve through matter particles and anti-particles upward through the 15 dimensional scale, from dense matter solidity to pure, non-mattered-based conscious energy substance.

    “All dimensions exist in the same space, but seem to operate separately due to the particle pulsation rates of which they are composed. The degree of angular rotation of particle spin shifts 90 degrees from one dimension to the next while remaining invisible to each other. In the universe there are 15 primary dimensional bands. Dimensional frequency bands group in sets of 3 and each set of three dimensions represents a Harmonic Universe. Thus there are five Harmonic Universes within one (overall) dimensional Universe. The degree of angular rotation of particle spin shifts 90 degrees from one dimension to the next within one Harmonic Universe. In each Harmonic Universe containing three dimensions, there are two 90 degree shifts of the angular rotation of spin between particles. Between one Harmonic Universe and the next there is a 45 degree reverse angular rotation of particle spin. This 45 degree reverse angular rotation of particle spin creates a Magnetic R
    epulsion Zone, or void between Harmonic Universes, which keeps the reality fields contained there within separated from each other. Through this structure of relative angular rotations of particle spin, the holographic illusions of multidimensional reality, matter, time, space, movement and individuation of form are perpetually created and sustained. Entities existing below the 7th dimension possess physical biological forms. Dimensions 7 through 9 possess the etheric matter form.

    “These multidimensional electromagnetic fields are collectively referred to as the bio-energetic system or the aura field of a manifest form. The aura field has seven primary inner layers (i.e., bodies) which correspond to dimensional frequency bands 1 through 7. The aura field also has seven outer layers which represent the form-holding MORPHOGENETIC imprints for the seven inner layers of the aura field. The morphogenetic imprint holds the instructions and design for form-building in a type of digital or electronic encoding. The seven outer layers correspond to dimensional frequency bands 9 through 15.
    Note 1. DNA alone is incapable of storing the complete blueprint of the human form. There simply is not enough data storage in 20,000 genes and thus is not the entire blueprint. “Materialists” refuse to believe that there is an essential non-physical morphogenetic field of inherited patterns that function as an overlay to the genome, enlarging its scope with non-physical encoding.
    “The perceptions of your present races are focused within the middle range of the third dimension. In order for humanity to evolve into higher dimensional fields, the frequency patterns of dimensions four, five and six must be brought into manifest expression with the energetic grid of Earth. The frequencies or sound-tones must also become operational within the active DNA strands. The energetic imprint of the DNA is carried with the personal morphogenetic field and consciousness after physical death of the body. (Note: Morphogenetic fields are the form holding patterns through which matter forms. Rupert Sheldrake postulated on their existence, but proposed no physical mechanism.) Whatever frequencies are contained with that imprint will determine the dimensional placement of the consciousness after death. The ultimate success of DNA* building lies in the hands of the embodied consciousness who personally directs the process by the way in which personal energy
    is used and applied.

    *Note 2: Our current scientific community is thoroughly confused about the multiple strands of DNA, declaring only a few as having a known usage – and calling the remainder “junk DNA.” Over 97% of DNA has an unknown function! However, if it were junk, the sequence of the “syllables” i.e., the nucleotides in DNA, should be completely random. In fact, they are not random at all, and current scientists now believe that this DNA contains some kind of code with function completely unknown or undetermined.

    “(At death), you will move your consciousness through a dark tunnel, with a bright light at its end, the same effect as in a Near-Death-Experience (Note: the subject of much book investigative reporting).

    “Multiple reincarnational** identities represent portions of a person’s soul awareness evolving. To the soul-self identity, the immediate incarnates in its incarnational family are recognized as living sub-personality fragments of its own identity whose reality simultaneously takes place with the dimensional bands contained within the soul-self’s DNA. The DNA represents electro-magnetically encoded digital imprints of the other living portions of your identity.

    **Note 3: Reincarnation occurs only in the first Harmonic Universe. “You reincarnate into multiple forms and situations because one lifetime is in no way sufficient time, nor does it offer sufficient exposures to enough diverse situations to give the fragment-spirit the understanding necessary. The best way to learn about poverty, or being rich, or being helpless, or being powerful, or being female, or being male is by experiencing lifetimes in such circumstances.” Book source: Andareon Theory communication.

    “Consciousness and matter are both composed of these units of electro-tonal energy and so both spiritual and scientific mastery are brought together through the applied knowledge of electro-tonal energy dynamics. For the smallest units of energy in the cosmos you could find 800 billion billion units in an average 3 dimensional photon. They represent the “divine substance” out of which the cosmos is composed.

    “There is an organizational intelligence and sentient creative force of vast proportion that is responsible for the design and creation of the cosmos, i.e., the Central Creative Force you call God***. Members of the benevolent Guardian Alliance (Note: who communicated this book) are beings from higher reality fields, dimensions ten through fifteen, who have evolved beyond the manifestation of biology, physical and etheric matter substance into states of conscious pre-matter form who appear as forms of light when they enter your system**** or, occasionally take on the appearance of biological forms in order to interact with Earth life (For example: Jesus from the 12th dimension).

    ***Note 4: The GOD of the Old Testament Yahweh was an Ancient Astronaut as demonstrated by the Jewish-American scholar Zecharia Sitchin who authored multiple books based on historical Middle Eastern archeological hieroglyphic interpretations. Also see the book Yahweh Encounters cited below.

    ****Note 5: The above afterlife “system” description is supported in the website Zetatalk.com which contains details on souls, reincarnation, DNA and dimensions (density), particularly Dimension Four.

    Book #2. “The Treasure of El Dorado” Chapter 7. The Bodies of Man. EXCERPTS from dictated communications by Ascended Masters. Joseph Whitfield 213 pages. Available through Amazon.com.

    “The value of the TREASURE is literally priceless since it could not be purchased with all the material wealth of all worlds. The asset is the SECRET OF OVERCOMING DEATH.

    “Few indeed are aware of the totality of their being. Existing within and around the physical bodies are IMPERISHABLE bodies. These other bodies interpenetrate the physical body as well as extend beyond it. The various bodies which constitute the total potential of all developing human beings are: the physical matter body, the astral (antimatter) body, the etheric (Christ) body, the mental body and the emotional body. It is these other bodies that constitute the phenomenon referred to as an aura (NOTE: Which has been proven to exist by special photographic techniques, see Wikipedia aura paranormal). The reason that the aura is not readily seen by most people is that its range of vibration renders it invisible to the physical eye. One’s CONSCIOUSNESS and other higher faculties reside in this “spiritual” (frequency existing) body and are INDESTRUCTIBLE.

    “WHEN PHYSICAL DEATH OCCURS, THESE OTHER BODIES LEAVE THE PHYSICAL BODY AS A UNIT AND BECOME THE OPERABLE VEHICLE THROUGH WHICH THE CONSCIOUSNESS CONTINUES TO FUNCTION IN OTHER DIMENSIONS! While one is no longer physically incarnated, the astral body houses the other bodies after the transition called death. Unlike the physical body, however, the astral body is inviolable, (i.e.,incorruptible).

    “Let us examine some of the functions which the various aspects of the astral body serve while one is physically incarnated. The subconscious is the mechanism which performs those vital functions that produce automatic actions and reactions on the physical level. Examples of this would be breathing, beating of the heart, blinking of the eyelids, digesting, etc. It is the subconscious which permits the formation of habits and which must be reprogrammed in order to break habits and existing beliefs. The subconscious however does not have the capacity for rational thought. Everything that is recorded in the brain is also recorded in the subconscious. The subconscious contains total memory information FROM ALL PREVIOUS LIVES AND EXPERIENCES (as recorded in the energetic DNA).

    “The brain is the memory bank while physically incarnated. The subconscious mind is the memory bank for your total experiences. Whatever is recorded in the brain is recorded automatically in the subconscious as well.

    “Consider that quality of the astral body that is called soul. Think of a cassette tape (i.e., the energetic DNA). When the tape is blank, it can be said to contain no soul. Now fill it with recordings. What we have done is to impart attributes to a previously empty cassette. We have thus CREATED SOUL. When the life ends, the tape (i.e., the surviving energetic DNA) is filled with that essence called SOUL. Within the total soul are many completed “tapes” containing the records of all incarnational experiences. The completed “tapes” form the memory bank, or the akashic record of each individual being. Whatever information is contained (from past lives), whether it be good or evil, true or false, right or wrong, correct or incorrect, can and does influence your well-being in your present life. This is why many people go through lifetime after lifetime making the same mistakes over and over again. In summary, the subconscious and the soul lack dis
    cernment. They cannot reason.

    “The conscious part of your mental body provides you with the powers of thinking. Thinking is the capacity to discern, reason, rationalize, to exercise self-discipline, to deduce, to employ logic, to analyze, inquire, synthesize, judge, investigate, observe, etc. THE BRAIN IS NOT THE MIND. It is one of the instruments that the mind uses while you are manifested in the physical planes (dimensions) of expression. The mental body has three distinct parts or levels: the conscious, the subconscious, and the superconscious. A primary function of the mind or mental body is to produce awareness, an incredible tool in the development of potential. As a component of the mental body, the subconscious has the ability and the capacity to record all sensual, mental, and emotional, and spiritual experiences and to “play back” this information, functioning like a tape recorder (i.e., the DNA).

    “The etheric (or Christ) body has been described by enlightened writers. Often referred to as the light body due to the effect produced in the atomic structure of this body by the speed of the electron movement within the atoms which equals or exceeds the speed of light. Achieving the status of etheric (or Christhood) confers upon the recipient many powers not found in the lesser bodies. Jesus represents the best example in history. Among the powers he was known to have demonstrated were: bilocation, levitation, materialization, healing, etc. Jesus constantly reminded his followers that they could do all of these and even greater things.

    “When one achieves the full etheric (or Christ) vibration, then death will no longer have dominion over him. It gives him the power to alter his vibrations at will, and thus he can freely travel through the physical, astral and etheric vibrations.

    “It is the emotional body that gives you a feeling nature, i.e., that produces the capacity for experiencing all levels of emotion such as joy and sorrow, love and hate, compassion and malevolence, ecstasy and depression, pleasure and pain, excitement and indifference. The emotional capacity is experienced on all levels of expression.

    “The superconscious is the functioning mind of the etheric or Christ self. What is required is that man of earth become aware of the existence of the incredible power of the superconscious mind and desire its attainment. To give you some idea of the scope of the superconscious mind, think of a rating scale numbered from 1 to 10 as representing the range of man’s conscious mind in Earth. Then classify the most outstanding geniuses of Earth history using 10 as the ultimate that is attainable. You will find that such men as Einstein, Swedenborg, Whitman, etc., would be rated from perhaps 7 through 9. By comparison, a pure state of superconsciousness would range into the hundreds or thousands. It is quite easy to conclude from this, is it not, that the means exist to literally transform Earth into a paradise by educating mankind as to its potential.

    “These bodies constitute man’s potential as he continues to evolve within the “system.” Each aspect of our total self is indispensable to the function and purpose of our total being.

    OTHER REINFORCING BOOKS: *** most favored among hundreds researched

    Many of the above Concepts based on my “knowledge” research were confirmed in Australian Michel Desmarquet’s abduction to a highly advanced planetary culture (see below). Readings by Edgar Cayce also confirm.

    ***Abduction to the 9th Planet, republished under title “Thiaoouba Prophecy” by Michel Desmarquet, Arafura Publishing, Australia He was abducted physically in 1987 for nine days by the spiritually most highly evolved and most technically developed planet in our galaxy. He confirmed and detailed the existence of IMPERISHABLE aura, reincarnation, and astral/etheric
    afterlife on progressively more advanced planets !! Excerpts below.

    “Your Astral body, which inhabits every normal human being, transfers to its higher-self all the sensations that are experienced during a lifetime in a physical body. A normal human Astral body contains approximately four billion, trillion electrons, exactly marrying your physical shape.
    “The more you cultivate your mind, the less you will be burdened by your physical body and the quicker you will proceed through your cycle of lives. Regarding the problems of your planet, Michel, the solution depends on love, not money. People need to rise above hate, resentment, jealousy and envy, and put their neighbor before themselves.
    There are nine categories of planets. You are on the planet Thiaoouba which is the top of the scale. Earth is a planet of the first category which could be likened to a kindergarten. We are one of three planets which are the most highly evolved.

    Zetatalk by Nancy Lieder, Granet Publishing, dictated by benevolent extraterrestrials
    also see website Zetatalk.com, Section Density, i.e., Dimensions

    ***An Ascension Handbook by Tony Stubbs, Oughten House Pub’g, channeled from Serapis Bey

    The Science of the Soul by Robert Siblerud, Sacred Science Publishers

    The Infinite MIND by Valerie V. Hunt: The Science of Human Vibrations of Consciousness, Malibu Publishing

    The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot, Harper Perennial

    ***Andareon Theory by Robert Gidel, Andareon Foundation Press, dictated by Andar Group

    After We Die, What Then by George Meek, electronics engineer, Ariel Press

    A Lawyer Presents the Case for Afterlife, by Victor Zammit, Gammell Pty, Ltd.,Australia
    also see website Victorzammit.com

    Extraterrestrials in Biblical Prophecy by G. Cope Schellhorn, Horus House Press

    ***The Yahweh Encounters – Controversial Bible Interpretation, by Ann Madden Jones,
    Sandbird Publishing Group
    Extraterrestrial Contact – the Evidence and Implications by Steven Greer, Cross Point Publishers

    Gods, Genes & Consciousness – Nonhuman Interventiion in Human History
    by Paul Von Ward, Hampton Roads

    A Seth Reader, by Richard Roberts, Vernal Equinox Press

    ***The Only Planet of Choice, Essential Briefings from Deep Space, by Phyllis Schlemmer, Gateway Books, Bath, UK

    Vibrational Medicine, by Richard Gerber, Chapters 1 & 4, Bear & Co.

    Light After Life by Dr. Konstantin Korotkov, Backbone Publishing

    Miracles of the Storm – Instrumental TransCommunication (ITC), by Mark Macy
    See website: World ITC.org

    PS: Pass this along if you are so inclined. Promotion encouraged, but this is NOT for total re-publication in books, magazines, professional journals, newspapers, etc. without source approval. Short quotes or references OK. DJS


  2.  Avatar

    i agree with some of you commenters about this subject.


  3. lawbix Avatar

    Sometimes I have a hard time sorting my dreams from my OBE’s. Sometimes. There’s other times when I know what I’ve just experienced simply could not have been a dream. I tend not to discuss my travels with others, because there are a lot of skeptics out there and a lot of people who think I’m just plain nuts. Ah well, what can you do?


    1. Gary Leigh Avatar

      Yes, that’s true, but there are plenty who will lap up those kind of experiences. Share them and those who are interested will read them (and be grateful you have done so.)


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  6. Andrew Toynbee Avatar

    I have read accounts where the CIA actively pursued Astral Travel during the Cold War, except that they referred to it as Remote Viewing. It was a useful technique where a viewer (with some considerable training) could enter a room and survey the contents, although, naturaly, they couldn’t touch anything. There are many these days who claim to be able to Remote View. There are stories of oceanic and space exploration and I even saw a course that offered training in these skills.
    On a pesonal level, if I ever have trouble sleeping, I visualise a place I have visited and I experience a sudden lightness that seems to lift me out of myself. However, I cannot state that I am experiencing Astral Travel because I either fall asleep very quickly, or else I simply forget the experience. 😦


    1. scorsha Avatar

      I experience the same problem of either falling asleep when I mindscape (aka astral travel with my mind instead of my soul) or I tend to forget the experience entirely.

      I tend to relax too much hence I fall asleep before I am awareof my astral experience. Also, since I am not “grounded” in my body when I travel to the astral, I find it very difficult to bring down that experience to this 3D vibration. When I have a lucid dream, this is usually when I am aware of an experience on the astral. But the minute I wake up, my memory of the event will fade quickly. Meh.

      In terms of remote viewing, yes, it is a type of astral projection where you travel in the earth realm instead of the astral realm. In my experience, everything is a meaningful illusion 3D wise here; since the mind and spirit can transcend the illusion of distance, it is possible for this kind of extrasensory perception aka clairvoyance. For me, this is the “inbetween” vibration where ghosts and other entities that inhabit the earth can be seen. I’ve remote viewed a few times but it is a bit tiring for me, personally, and takes a good effort to maintain that vibration down here.


  7. nattietee Avatar

    Check out a guy on YouTube named Graham Nicholls. He has written two books about Astral projection and has developed a great skill in the area. He is, like us all though, a skeptic at heart and is always trying to prove his experiences are real, if only to himself. In one of his OBEs he left the earth and explored a moon. He took note of some particular things about the landscape and looked them up upon return, to find out he had been exploring a moon of Saturn. He previously had no knowledge of this moon and what it looked like and had actually assumed he was exploring our moon at the time of the OBE. He has had a few of these experiences that have proved, at least to himself that what he is experiencing is real and overlapping three dimensional reality.


  8. davidalmeida23 Avatar

    I’ve always held the same fascination with astral projection as you. I’ve had at least three unmistakeable OOBE’s. I observed strange entities each time. I had no interactions with them as the episodes lasted no more than a few seconds. The “Journey’s Out of the Body” series by Robert Munroe are on my recommended reading list.


  9. Julianne Victoria Avatar

    Are dreams the same as astral traveling/ OBD’s? And is mind traveling while still grounded the same?


    1. Gary Leigh Avatar

      I suspect that dreams are experiences on another astral plane.. which is why they are so hard to bring down to this level in our memory.

      Mind travelling is different, though. You are fully conscious and see and hear things in your mind’s eye. By hear, they are thoughts that you pick up on.


      1. Julianne Victoria Avatar

        Thanks. I do feel the proof is in the experience. I’ve been mind traveling my whole life, and feel I travel in the dream world. But I’ve never had the “typical” astral projection experience where one lifts up and looks down on their body and flies away. I guess I’m trying to clarify the terms too. 🙂


        1. Gary Leigh Avatar

          We sound like we’ve both have the same experiences and roadblocks.


          1. davidalmeida23 Avatar

            Let’s not make mind travel or mental projection into something more complicated than it needs to be. This exercise is taken from one of my books:

            “Close your eyes for a moment and imagine a land-mark in New York City. Maybe you would like to visualize the Statue of Liberty. Once you can clearly see it, shift your focus and imagine Washington D.C. For simplicity, try the White House. When you see it clearly, open your eyes. You have just traveled from N.Y.C. to D.C. instantaneously. “Wait!” you say. “That is just my imagination. That’s not real.” Not true. Your imagination is very real. I will get into this later. Now let’s try time travel. This is easy. Think of a pleasant experience you had as a child. Picture yourself there. Focus in on the colors, sounds, and the feelings you had at that time. Feel it really strongly as if you are reliving it. When you can re-experience the event as if you are there, hold the moment briefly and then let it go. You are welcome to stay with it for as long as you like, if you are enjoying the experience.

            You just traveled into the past. This exercise clearly illustrates the nature of space. This mode of travel occurs in what some psychedelic drug users call “hyperspace.” I consider hyperspace to be an experience one has while moving through the multiverse. Another term for this medium is the “astral space.” It’s a lot like the internet. You don’t go to Google’s homepage and then travel all the way across the World Wide Web to get to Amazon.com. That would be a ridiculous waste of time. What you would do instead is type http://www.amazon.com in the address bar, or you could click the website from your bookmarks. Within seconds, you are transported to Amazon’s website. This is not as quick as traveling through the seamless environment of hyperspace; it does, however, make a great analogy for our purposes.”

            If that demonstration of mental projection does not convince us of it’s simplicity, then we are replying on our intellectual side to understand it, and our belief in the physical world is far too strong for us to comprehend the true nature of reality.

            I hope this exercise helps.


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